That’s messed up. HackerNews clone built with Nuxt.js. But now I’ve now come to understand that persistence is a double-edged sword, and my decision not to take a break, to not take more off my plate, hurt me, my family and the company. I agree this is the downside of my proposed approach. It seems unlikely they would tolerate the sort of behavior Ryan described. I'm saying it's possible. It didn't take me long to figure out who the seeming douche bag of an ex-board member is, despite being half a world away from the US and Valley intrigue. By outing the guy, you are presuming him guilty and inflicting steep punishment when he could be innocent. They, after all, have the money and influence to pay for much more professional attacks than the weak can scrounge together. Bad investors, bad board members, and even bad incubators are a dime a dozen. CircleUp’s Classifier compiles and … I didn't mean to offend. That's definitely adding positive value in my book. The former CEO should take down the feedback email, as he is exposing himself and others to legal liability. You only have one life to live. The investor isn't here to defend himself, and outing him will cause him irreparable (and perhaps undue) reputational damage. When will people understand that the VC industry is a form of money management? Collaborative Fund Raises $33 Million Second Fund, Adds Nexon Founder Jay Kim As Venture Partner (Feb-2014) Just imagine all the New York Post articles somebody would be sued for. I'd say that not being a good father by choice rather than necessity could be considered pretty wrong. From reading other posts by Ryan, he seems to be trying to talk about the general problems he faced that simply don’t get surfaced often (for example, due to the associated risks to your career.) Twitter is the worst for long form messaging. Any advice for us?". There is absolutely nothing wrong with knowing about, and discussing who it is and possibly who else has had the same experiences - as long as it isn’t mudslinging but a professional discussion. The investor isn't here to defend himself, and outing him will cause him irreparable (and perhaps undue) reputational damage. Sure you can, to a degree substantial enough to afford the entire advertising industry. How else can one know one’s wisdom if not through its demonstration? Unless you are 100% sure you are correct, all speculation should be avoided since you could cause severe damage to others by misattribution. "A great board member, Dan, called me to say, “Ryan, I’ve never in my career seen a CEO as worn out as you. Given the timeline, that he was lead investor, the name length, the experience of the VC, the current and past board members, it’s easy to figure out the missing name. It gives no room for filler text and every paragraph/tweet needs to have its own point. I don't see this as a case where a weak party is unable to fairly attack the powerful. Also, very damning to peak into the kitchen to see the sausage making. I recommend this TED talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_when_online_shaming_goe... 1) Contact the accused party and ask him for a written response. You're in an ecosystem dominated by the needs for big returns. When I write a blog post I naturally end up optimising for writing quality, and what could have been 5 tweets ends up as 1,500 words. I was also juggling personal challenges that were far more stressful than the hurdles at work. Kim Kardashian and Katie Holmes are devotees of Barry’s hour-long sessions that are known to burn up to 1000 calories. Now they know, and maybe they'll buy a Model S. There's more to it than you're giving him credit for. There is a very difficult balance to make, and he has clearly been careful about judging that balance, and getting feedback from others on that balance. Therefore, it is not likely to be their best option, which means the candidates who are interested are more likely to be not-so-great CEO candidates. Curious. This is how you get important messages not read or have them taken out of context, even by your intended audience. It's an uphill battle to make major changes to your style of management. [edit] Is giving the accused a platform to defend himself that unpopular of an opinion? He is not the only one who has had to deal with toxic investors who sit on startup boards. I can't quit my job to take a break because my wife and kids depend on my salary for money. CircleUp is comprised of internally-managed equity funds, a credit program, and an Insights & Connections team - all powered by Helio, CircleUp… You can’t have a balanced life if you want to be extraordinary. Further, Collaborative Fund no longer lists CircleUp anywhere on its site. > What is involved in this process that takes 2 years? Conversely, Collaborative Fund led the Series C in November 2015. "-situation and nothing ever happens, because "It could have been true, right?". I think just publishing the event without posting the email leaves enough of a trail for another CEO to reach out and ask "Hey, we're going to work with XYZ and know he used to be on your board. CircleUp is a well-known fundraising platform for consumer products. It seems like the only way to escape is to become a CEO, make millions, and buy a bubble of eternal happiness as Ryan has done. I know exactly how helpful seeing this kind of post can be for people who are struggling. Based off the timings, it's highly likely this is the VC who the e-mail refers to. Even without outing the investors, many founders are currently doing the necessary research to identify the investor and will blacklist him. The people we let go had joined because they believed in our product and mission. Lora Kolodny. Asking them to take on a company that doesn't have much runway limits the time they have to get in, become the new leader, and mold the organization. View Jay Kim’s profile on LinkedIn, the world’s largest professional community. I'm saying it's possible. > When at a board meeting at USV you stopped the meeting and said “guys we just aren’t focused on the right issues, this company has less than 6 months left.” One of the other board members said “ What are you looking at?” (You later realized you weren’t doing the math correctly). They are trying so hard to have my life and I try my best to help them get into an industry I don't even like. Collaborative Fund, CircleUp Partner to Back B Corps. He stops short of naming the difficult board member, but it wouldn't exactly be difficult to figure out who it was from all the clues. Nobody likes to date people who are trashing, Fair enough. As a person who is susceptible to the same degree of stress and mental health toil, let’s not make the story about the investor but rather around the stresses of being a CEO. I'm not saying this is fact. Yet, if Ryan Caldbeck chose not to name and shame, it is not my business to out someone. It seems like if many people don’t know, then it actually makes a difference that they don’t know. I'm not saying this is fact. It's an investment vehicle focused on generating a particular kind of return by investing in a particular kind of company. Three names have been named. Indeed. Escalate to the other board members and have them deal with him. I'm saying that we should keep the identifying info private until the accusations are substantiated. Select this result to view Jay Choe Kim… I'm thankful for that "feedback email", whoever that guy was, he either has a serious case of the Dunning–Kruger effect going on or he deliberately behaved that way to extract money out of a startup by being a total, Reading this is like reading about my own experience. (we obviously disagree and both perspectives are opinion based). This would be an immediate red flag. I wish this guy al the best, this maybe is the best thing he ever did. Why do you feel the need to do what the author chose specifically not to? Does this person get a royal severance package? CircleUp said Monday that it teamed up with Collaborative Fund to finance more consumer-product startups. Not just for show; doing it this way likely spares that person's SEO. Plausible. Canaan still lists CircleUp as a portfolio company and the partner is Deepak Kamra. because of greed. sounds like Craig Shapiro is the likely culprit here. I've read through the transcript of a court case in Australia where the defendant lost 50k for some really borderline comments. No need to track down that destructive board member. By the end of 2017, I was completely worn out. I was diagnosed with cancer. I remember letting go of someone I had known since college. The internet mob is merciless, and will very likely ruin this guy's reputation once he's outed. February 26, 2014. So this guy fired a college buddy who chose to work for him instead of a better-paying job. > Keeping information in a quiet private forum makes it inaccessible to people at large. In 2014, Kim joined Collaborative Fund as a Partner. This is one of the most honest and cathartic emails I've read. That was the biggest mistake of my career. The company's in good shape - everyone's a winner. You may see it as just 'discussing some random topic on a forum'. Which, I don't doubt he went through all this, but just can't help the bad taste in my mouth given the "I'm just selflessly saying things to help others" tone. However, keeping shitty people protected by keeping the info private does nobody any good. However, while the lead investor companies are established, the "partners" of the lead investors listed on crunchbase do seem to fit the fresh investor note. > I'm saying that we should keep the identifying info private until the accusations are substantiated. Three names have been named. Others see it as eccentric. Collaborative Fund Raises $33 Million Second Fund, Adds Nexon Founder Jay Kim As Venture Partner Ryan Lawler @ ryanlawler / 8:30 AM PST • February 26, 2014 It’s been three … He, and other board members, tried so hard to do the right thing and convince me to take care of myself.". I really wonder when this cycle of typical HN cliches will go away. Two years of runway is long enough for a new CEO to find their feet, set direction, and work on profitability and/or fundraising. Well. By outing the guy, you are presuming him guilty and inflicting steep punishment when he could be innocent. I'd find myself getting dizzy and lightheaded out of the blue while doing nothing more than sitting. Easy answer: he’s not a good father. Various digestion issues and stomach pain. Sure, so that the lesson isn't lost, though, we may want to learn from Ryan's sobering experience and think harder about this too: Which investors we choose to collaborate with, come due-diligence time. https://ryancaldbeck.medium.com/transitions-fa7ce4af435. Rihanna invested in Partake Foods, a Black-owned allergy-friendly food brand that just closed a $4.8 million Series A financing round. Every day I put my curiousness aside to code some stuff to make my managers look good. He asked, "do you feel stressed?" He'll be fine. It promotes a concise writing style which wouldn't be as acceptable if it were on a blog without character limits. First thanks so much for writing this. You don't realise you're in the thick of it until it's too late. Embarrassing frankly. I’m incredibly appreciative of OPs transparency here. Yet, if Ryan Caldbeck chose not to name and shame, it is not my business to out someone. The Innovation Course looks pretty awesome. As a person who is susceptible to the same degree of stress and mental health toil, let’s not make the story about the investor but rather around the stresses of being a CEO. The feedback is simply not attributable for outsiders. There are some societal tools that exist to fight against baseless slander in a public forum but, tbh, the US has resisted adopting those. Looks like one becomes a "business" brainwashed robot spending way to much lifetime at doing ???????? I was thinking more along the lines of his name not appearing in this discussion's title means people searching his name might not find this discussion. A successful and healthy transition requires one to live in the nothingness between the end of one period and the beginning of another. Overall it's just very hard in the US to sue someone for telling the truth about how awful you are. Some startups are built to grow. It's amazing how childish and unprofessional the board member had behaved. I am a former accountant and attorney, turned stay at home dad, who is following his passion taking pictures. I'm happy everything worked out for you Ryan. The more I see around me and our nation at large, the more I am forming the opinion that greed is THE defining attribute of our time. That said, I do wonder how Elon Musk, who's simultaneously trying to send humanity to Mars, convert the world to electric cars and solar panels, and create direct neural uplinks doesn't crack from the pressure though. I don't see this as a case where a weak party is unable to fairly attack the powerful. $1.2 million from Collaborative Fund. Helio can scan about 1.2 million companies, identifying … Craig isn't the one who was sitting on the board. I agree that the UI sucks but I like the constraints. She was five. It warns many first time CEO's of the dark side of raising money from naive VC's who never ran a company before becoming VC. I don’t think there’s anything particularly wrong about it, but it’s sad for his kids. A lot of people especially here in the US are always invoking liability. I would rather live in a world where the powerful can be baselessly attacked compared to a world where the weak are unable to fairly attack them - if we need to err on one side or the other I prefer to put up with trolls and scammers. They have always struck me as founder-friendly. See: Collaborative Fund led the Series C round. I liked someone's comment about preferring to let the focus be on Ryan's journey, and I suppose that many others here must be feeling a sense of kinship with a fellow entrepreneur as he described candidly and courageously his version of "The Struggle.". There's way too much detail and it's all incredibly flattering, stuff like: He is known for strategic investments that aren’t limited to gaming companies, and he has acquired firms and invested in various fields. Some people naively view investment as "just money". Not sure what sort of due diligence can sniff these jerks out before they join the board, and maybe it's not even possible to turn them away if it's a condition of getting investment. Given the timeline, that he was lead investor, the name length, the experience of the VC, the current and past board members, it’s easy to figure out the missing name. He clearly values their respect so one of them (or better all of them) needed to sit him down for a talk. However, while the lead investor companies are established, the "partners" of the lead investors listed on crunchbase do seem to fit the fresh investor note. I went through a similar period several years ago as an executive. Curiously, a 2015 article lists the Canaan board memeber as Daniel Ciporin. CircleUp’s fund is using its Helio software to try to bring a Moneyball style approach to investing in startups. Naming the investor is counterproductive. The VC isn't going to sue the author of an email that didn't name them that called out their bad behavior. Banks can loan to traditional businesses they understand. I'm equally cynical. I would rather live in a world where the powerful can be baselessly attacked compared to a world where the weak are unable to fairly attack them - if we need to err on one side or the other I prefer to put up with trolls and scammers. There are a few seemingly conflicting bits of info in the letter, like the person is a novice VC investor ("I recognize ---- is your first experience in venture, or as a professional investor") with the fact that they are also the lead investor in one of their rounds ("I still can't believe that is true for the lead of our Series ---"). Oh yeah you can watch datapoints, brainscans and talk to experts for years, but listen to what you feel is enough. CircleUp Network Inc., a startup that connects accredited investors with stakes in consumer goods and retail businesses, has raised a $30 million round of Series C venture … Now it sits under one of my monitors and when work starts to stress me out or life generally I pick it up and think back to 6 years ago. I hate my work. I suppose so. Yes for all the people who didn't know about Tesla or Elon Musk. I stand corrected. Meh. 6 months ago, after some headaches and vision issues, I was diagnosed with a brain tumor. Collaborative Fund Raises $33 Million Second Fund, Adds Nexon Founder Jay Kim As Venture Partner. > Keeping information in a quiet private forum makes it inaccessible to people at large. He is sitting at work right in front of you on a basket with $$$, you listen to him as you think you need it for food and if you are priviledged for "dreams".. maybe just look in a mirror ? https://www.ted.com/talks/jon_ronson_when_online_shaming_goe... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_stair, https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40611328-ishmael, https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/melt-shop, https://online.hbs.edu/courses/disruptive-strategy/. 2) Out the investor in private forums where data/information that arises after the publication of this article can be fully considered. That doesn't create a good first impression. The email also adds context to Vinod Kosla's famous message: https://techcrunch.com/2013/09/11/vinod-khosla/. I read this as a bunch of whining that reflects poorly on the CEO. > I'm saying that we should keep the identifying info private until the accusations are substantiated. Sounds like confirmation of an opinion to me if it needs to be said a lot. I was thinking more along the lines of his name not appearing in this discussion's title means people searching his name might not find this discussion. It seems like you can't narrate the latter without the former. I genuinely think he should keep it up. > Keeping the info private does nobody any good. That group of professional challenges was more difficult than anything else I’ve faced in my career. > audience, and forceful conciseness thanks to the platform constraints. Especially since Series B and C were 5-6 years ago. I hope, predicated on the notion that this isn't for you, you don't give up on developing another career path. How do you substantiate an accusation like "you insisted on talking to me at 3AM local time after I just stepped off a plane after a 18 hour flight" (or whatever the deets are)? It follows then that if you're building a VC investment-return generating vehicle then what you're doing is not the same as building a "normal" business. When I went to the doctor, all tests showed I was fine, which stressed me out more. The company is … I agree that the problematic investor shouldn't be outed here. Share Us With The World Relationship Science 5 … If you read the email it states that the investor was a lead. If you highlight the name, the highlighted text is {{14}}. This means the next CEO who runs up against this investor is mostly completely unaware of their past actions. He's not saying the process will take 2 years. How do you handle this type of issue? My neighbors are suffering more because they are not in tech. >> There is absolutely nothing wrong with knowing about, and discussing who it is. What on earth was the co-founder doing? I've never written anything about that time, despite wanting to, but this is the thread I wish I could write. Aren’t Google Docs unindexed unless published to the web not shared as viewable links? What series of legal events do you imagine being initiated by the posting of this email? Some will never go anywhere but fill people's pockets and egos. Name the board member. 2015 Vintage USD 22m Size Buy and sell stakes in CircleUp Growth Capital Fund … Nobody likes to date people who are always trashing their exes. There are degrees of dirty laundry airing that could end up burning bridges with people you've never even met before. Even founders of good companies are under constant stress to keep the thing proposed up. The only listing of the board I can find is this news article [0] from 2015, but again, none of the people listed there can be definitively identified as the one being referenced. Well. Taylor Greene | Greater New York City Area | General Partner at Collaborative Fund is a leading source of capital for entrepreneurs pushing the world forward. > and I would be surprised if the CircleUp CEO didn't realise this. I’m doing a Reforge program now and hungry to keep doing similar. ... Big Investors. There are a few seemingly conflicting bits of info in the letter, like the person is a novice VC investor ("I recognize ---- is your first experience in venture, or as a professional investor") with the fact that they are also the lead investor in one of their rounds ("I still can't believe that is true for the lead of our Series ---"). Accomplishments provide empirical knowledge of one’s hypothetical and private judgements. FINALLY HIS FIRST EMAIL(feedback to the board member) IS AN EXCELLENT READ. I have persistent anxiety and every few months my body will either revert to one of the symptoms you described there or invent something entirely new and fun for me out of the blue. Just look for a firm that had a board seat that is no longer listed on the site and that does not list Circlecup on their site. 1) The accusations are currently unsubstantiated, 2) The reputational damage to the investor is already significant and largely irreversable, 3) Outing the investor here will significantly increase the reputational damage to the investor. There's more to life than trying to improve the human condition. They, after all, have the money and influence to pay for much more professional attacks than the weak can scrounge together. But I feel the pain everyday of having to answer to my managers who are constantly asking for status on my projects. He even admits to taking this investment and giving up a board seat without ever meeting in person. Tweet storms and email chains like these read like the startup version of Jersey Shore or Housewives of OC. I'm not suggesting that people try to reverse engineer it, but clearly the open letter was meant to be partially retaliatory and partially a warning to others in this space. Collaborative Fund will get access to the CircleUp pipeline of startups, which it uses proprietary algorithmic technology to analyze. How do you substantiate an accusation like "you insisted on talking to me at 3AM local time after I just stepped off a plane after a 18 hour flight" (or whatever the deets are)? It’s his choice. That would be news and link them to it. The company has raised $30 million in series C funding led by Collaborative Fund. It's amazing how childish and unprofessional the board member had behaved. Naming this 1 investor focuses the discussion on that single investor, rather than bringing awareness to the situation itself, and how commonly these things happen (yet how rarely anyone talks about it). Please don't underestimate the consequences of your actions. And even if the VC was identified, if the writer didn't invent any of those stories (you wanted inaccuracy, right? Or maybe... get this... people have an opinion? Per Crunchbase, Jungju (Jay) Kim was the board partner for Collaborative's Series C investment in CircleUp. Does attempting to be genuine, vulnerable and reflective lead to a bigger audience, or does seeing that the audience gets bigger as a result lead a person to be more genuine, vulnerable and reflective - to a point of artificial oversharing? I'm trying to think of ways to make this comment more even-keeled and less likely to be downvoted, but I honestly can't. Where is the fun? I experienced a constellation of bad health symptoms. IANAL but don’t think that the outcome in the US would have been the same. Mate, you got so lucky, to be alive, to have kids. That’s what I’m trying to diff against but I can’t find good sources. You call it erratic. Yeah, totally right! However, keeping shitty people protected by keeping the info private does nobody any good. She turned to me and said, “I took this job over something that paid more, and now what should I do?” These agonising decisions kept me up at night for weeks, and I know it was much harder on those affected. >> There is absolutely nothing wrong with knowing about, and discussing who it is. Indeed. Most VCs at that company would think it wasnt about them because they aren't so badly behaved. One commenter has edited their comment to change the person being accused. What forum should he be outed in exactly? But otherwise, I've found that you simply acclimate over time. Seriously. But, the alternative is a world where someone's reputation can be irreparably damaged by unsubstantiated claims made by one person. I'm not a CEO, nor do the livelihoods of people depend on me. It is a lonely place to be if you are not greedy. This means the next CEO who runs up against this investor is mostly completely unaware of their past actions. For context I am a developer in the Silicon Valley. Mmm, yeah. I think the real purpose was to process his feelings and list out all the wrongs - I just think he should’ve separated them. But hey, maybe I've just grown to be overly cynical after spending too much time around growth marketers. I hope your prognosis is excellent. Adding the google cache. I’m incredibly appreciative of OPs transparency here. Naming the investor is counterproductive. Last week equity and investment crowdfunding platform CircleUp and venture capital firm the Collaborative Fund announced the launch of Collab+Consumer, a new fund on CircleUp for … 1) The accusations are currently unsubstantiated, 2) The reputational damage to the investor is already significant and largely irreversable, 3) Outing the investor here will significantly increase the reputational damage to the investor. 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