Little bit heavy-handed on the philosophy/free will/choice stuff, granted, but I think it makes perfect sense within the context of Lost. He tells MIB that he'll be waiting when he finds his loophole, he makes no attempt to stop Ben, indeed it could be argued that he encourages, In support of the point made that Jacob's death being delivered on. The lines are always a bit blurred. The, Jacob is compassionate to those who have undergone misfortune. or do you think is Locke?? Jacob wins? 6. This is similar to my post in this thread. My question about only ending once... how many times does MiB have to "win"... and what qualifies ends once a.k.a. SONG TIME Life Is Good. Jacob tells Hurley that he must use the light house to help "someone" reach the Island. I think he's too associated with white to be a bad guy. When Sawyer offers MIB a drink, he just does as if he was drinking and when Jacob offers him fish, he said I have already eaten. 5. Stalking them, remember the lighthouse. Too much of either one is perilous. SONG TIME Life Is Good. I think the trailer for Season 4 is just being tricky. 4. As he matured in faith, Jacob depended on God more and more. The Jacob is a British breed of domestic sheep. His adoptive motherdelivered the brothers and then killed Claudia. I've decided that Jacob is a really, really good guy. Since this IS Lost I have to bring up the point that maybe Jacob isn't all he appears to be. La storia di MiB e Jacob è piena di buchi a mio parere e vorrei che qualcuno mi... illuminasse! the guy is bodily ineffective, and the smoke monster is easily his spirit. He was trapped. I think Jacob and MiB are two necessary forces that keep the island in balance (think of the scale), and that what's about to go down will be a result of the imbalance created by Jacob's death. I think Jacob and MiB are two necessary forces that keep the island in balance (think of the scale), and that what's about to go down will be a result of the imbalance created by Jacob's death. ("The Incident, Part 1"). He began as the main antagonist during the second and third seasons, but in subsequent seasons, becomes a morally ambiguous ally to the main characters. I hope Lost doesn't end up being as simple as just good versus evil. Jacob needs the people outside the statue to stay alive, thus "they are coming" is information for MiB to help him mentally prepare for the new people outside, calm down and thus prevent another killing rampage as he did after the, Rule: "Only the leader can kill Jacob". The Book of Jacob: The Brother of Nephi, usually referred to as the Book of Jacob, is the third of fifteen books in the Book of Mormon.According to the text, it was written by the ancient prophet Jacob.The purpose of the book, in his own words, is to persuade all men to "come unto Christ" (Jacob 1:7). It is this part of, This is also an extremely strong parallel to the Book of Job, with, Jacob is the "Dark" one - the bad guy, and his nemesis is the good guy. well can you blame him....??? Jacob could be referring to the remaining living "candidates" who are with the group mentioned above (Sawyer, Jin, Jack, Hurley and Sayid). To balance things out if something is given then something must also be taken away. Given his quest to prove mans free will on the island how do we know that he is doing it for the reasons he says. ? Jacob is neither "good" nor "evil", but only the unMIB, Not as omniscient and intelligent as he seemed. The lines are always a bit blurred. 3. he's a God-like figure that the others have the utmost respect for, and have never even seen or spoken to. They eventually disc… The Man in Black expresses a view that people coming to the island only ends in death and destruction. I'm pretty sure MiB is the bad guy. i also think the four-toed statue is/was of Jacob. The fact that Nemesis has been driven to such great lengths by his desire to kill Jacob - and that Jacob is (eventually), Jacob significantly touching each of the people he meets in the past is directly opposite to his 'Nemesis', as (assuming the, Thematically, Jacob represents a belief in the good part of ourselves, and human nature as a whole, and the resulting hope for the future, regardless of the hardships that must be endured. 42 fans picked: Jacob 93%: MIB 7% ChibiUsa1995 ... All the people he killed, controlling people, talking about "taking care" of the Ajira people, that doesn't seem very good guyish. Eight years after one of the most divisive finales in television history, it feels like Lost is on the rise again. Jack sees the annotated "Alice in Wonderland / ThroughThe Looking Glass" book and says that David loved Alice's two kittens, Kitty and Snowdrop. Too much of either one is perilous. Jacob is the keeper of time. But the dichotomy doesn't have to be Good/Evil. What is he? My impression of Jacob? Benjamin Linus is a fictional character portrayed by Michael Emerson on the ABC television series Lost.Ben was the leader of a group of island natives called the Others and was initially known as Henry Gale to the survivors of Oceanic Flight 815. It most commonly has four horns. However, interpreted your way he's easily a Christ figure, and those are so ubiquitous in literature that I'm sort of inclined to agree with you. Perché Jacob riesce ad uccidere il fratello che viene poi trasportato dall acqua? The irony of all this is that despite the rule, Nemesis did in fact kill Jacob since he kicked him into the fire. Initially, Jacob's intent was altruistic, but his actions were misguided. It combines two characteristics unusual in sheep: it is piebald—dark-coloured with areas of white wool—and it is often polycerate or multi-horned. yesterday i saw the an episode of Lost( the 11th) and i saw Richard(Bens' friend) with john when John born John is about 55 years old, so, how could be Richard be the same(now, in the present, he looks the same) ?? They fight. Jacob "baptizes" Richard by dunking him into the ocean. As 'famous last words' these don't seem to serve a purpose unless it is a warning for either Ben or MiB. Since this IS Lost I have to bring up the point that maybe Jacob isn't all he appears to be. All the people he killed, controlling people, talking about "taking care" of the Ajira people, that doesn't seem very good guyish. sorry, Lost in Translation, Jacob’s brother Esau did in fact “hate” him for stealing his birthright and inheritance. i cant wait for Jan 21st! It's not quite the same in Lost, but I imagine MiB and Jacob more like that. The greater event polluted Jacob's judgment, and he spent much of his life trying to force a particular outcome. There's no way they'd give away something like that on a trailer video that is so obvious to everyone. Jacob is determined to prove to MiB that people can make the right choices on their own, hence the minimal contact with humans. Jesus is way more mellow and hippy-ish and wants to let them figure stuff out on their own. 3. 4:16 PREVIEW Rock Me Steady. They are both beings who can the form of other bodies. My theory that the MIB is actually the good guy picked up more steam last night. T he US television drama Lost first aired in the United States on September 22, 2004 with the most expensive pilot in TV history. In the end, the Lord touched Jacob's hip and he was a broken man, but also a new man. He is bound by the rules so that he can't give things away. Perhaps Jacob is bringing them to the island because he needs help protecting the world from evil being released onto it... recruiting people like illana sure makes it look that way. Just as Jack and Locke represent the 'Man of Science and 'The Man of Faith' respectively, Jacob and MiB are on opposite sides of … A giant Pikachu comes out, but its evil!! Jacob disagrees and comments that anything before the end is merely "progress", referring to the mistakes that people make along the road to an ultimately redemptive "end". Then Jacob was wrong, and he doesn't want to be. (and btw imo that makes him VERY good.). As a note for Ben that somebody else is arriving (expect the unexpected) or a deliberate information for MiB (ensuring MiB is prepared and executes his plan, unaware that he is doing exactly what Jacob's masterplan has been all about and all along). Jacob has been granted powers of the Island which he has abused. Jacob, or God, appears benevolently in the survivors' off-Island lives, sometimes intervening to save their lives while at other times offering encouragement or reassurance. Lost Jacob or MIB, who do you think is the good guy? If you think of Lost as a first draft for the superior series that come later—The Leftovers and The Good Place, namely—the missteps become more palatable. The Man in Black says that they corrupt and destroy, and we know from Jacob that they are all dead as a result. Therefore, over the past 5 years of LOST, Samuel has taken form of other bodies on the island that we could not yet explain. There’s a difference between swearing to your own hurt and being lied to. There has been enough Lost bashing on this blog, but now – in the coolness of passed time and sensible recollection – it is time to expound WHY what I am calling ‘The Jacob Mysteries’ harmed a perfectly good TV show. The original sin was that the human being listened to the promises of the snake (MIB) promising him and her knowledge, just as the smoke monster/snake does with the candidates. We see that Jacob does not want to interfere, that he believes in man's goodness, even til the end like with Ben, his last thoughts being he thought Ben would choose correctly. Are they really so bad, they just want to escape? More of an order/chaos dynamic I suppose. No matter what. Jacob tricked their blind father into awarding the inheritance to Jacob. Of course, in Lost, nothing is as simple as having a good guy and a bad guy. Jacob knew he had to die. lol i think i was expecting something more spectacular. (This is also the only valid argument for why God would allow evil to exist in the world - because people must be allowed the free will to choose between good or evil for there to be any good at all...). MiB wants to show Jacob that someone will kill him (clearly caving to temptation) and then get off the island to go play on the weaknesses of the human race as an ultimate demonstration of victory. Namaste! When Man in Black's hate became so strong that Mother knew he would kill her, she passed on the role of protector to Jacob. I don't think the candidates affect "only ends once," because he says "i'll kill you" and Jacob says "someone will just take my place." The lines are always a bit blurred. 2. But then, if Jacob is the one who's been in charge of everything on the Island, gassing DHARMA, killing the American soldiers, capturing Sawyer, Juliet, Daniel, Miles, etc... they weren't exactly 'good'. What’s more than this, Isaac actually blesses Jacob a second time, in Gen. 28:3-4, and it is this blessing which more obviously passes on the Abrahamic covenant. Jacob intended to die because he knew it would ultimately destroy the MiB. Jacob thinks that the human being has a free will and can choose and might not be tempted by MIB's promises. MIB represents the snake around the Tree of Good and Evil. There are many biblical and mythological beings that can be put on either side. now he needs to be replaced. As he matured in faith, Jacob depended on God more and more. 4:18 PREVIEW Something More Than This. Locke is supposedly playing backgammon (alone). Now the man came up to the shepherd and said to him: "Good man, help me, and lend me a little fire! but i'm pretty sure every one of us is 100% wrong, because the writers for LOST are awesome like that. Lost uses a lot of the white/black light/dark references.-Backgammon-Lockes eyes in Claires dream-Adam and Eve Stones The fish may rather be a symbol for the people brought to the Island. Did Jacob inheriet the island under false pretenses and that's why faux-Locke had to kill him via Ben? It's not so simple. changes them. He says that the remaining. Jacob isn't holding MiB on the island out of some altruistic desire to protect the world from chaos; he's doing it in case MiB is right and corrupts the world. Press J to jump to the feed. Jacob comes brings people to the island. 2. In fact, Jacob struggled with God his entire life, as many of us do. It's like a game. However, after losing to God in a wrestling match, Jacob received God’s blessings and a … Granted, over time he is shown to have become wiser, more omniscient, and more God-like in nature, due to the years he's lived and experiences gained, but we mustn't forget the normal, flawed human being he was when he set out the rules of the Island after the death of his brother and "Mother". According to Jacob, who explains this to Richard Alpert, it is the incarnation of evil, and its primary goal—to escape from the island—would be the "end of everything good". i had heard before that he may be Jacob, but yesterday, i really think he is Do you agree with me?? Molotov says: May 16, 2009 at 3:22 pm. 3:16 PREVIEW Opposite of Everything. MiB is represented by fire (smoke). Jacob has to allow evil and good for anyone to actually have to option to choose good. I am not sure if this is related to "it only ends once"; it seems to be a plan by Jacob after he discovers that the Man in Black is trying to kill him directly. If you have a theory or a theory that you have seen on the net, then please fill out the form below or email me with the theory details and indicate that you want it posted on the site. Jacob and Samuel represent god-like representations or servants of good and evil. / Would it make a difference in anyway? Jacob faded as soon as Jack accepted his new role as island protector. Tom Friendly , often referred to as Tom , Mr. Each person that the smoke contacted was scanned and killed or released based on previous actions. His rule that "you cannot change the past" has been explained by many of his followers, particularly. (slightly disappointed)? to me, the idea of mib being the devil is a red herring. He promised Sayid to see Nadia and Claire to see her son Aaron. Hope this helps.... 1 0. Many of my friends took Ab Aeterno as sufficient proof that Jacob is good; I am not so convinced. When Esau found out, he plotted to kill Jacob. Neither embodies good or evil, but Jacob is sure people can rise above temptation and MiB is sure they can't. Of course, in Lost, nothing is as simple as having a good guy and a bad guy. Jacob, still seeing the good in everyone, often visited his brother. Jacob expresses an optimistic view of humanity. Listen hard enough and you’ll hear the sound of it being rediscovered. Of course, in Lost, nothing is as simple as having a good guy and a bad guy. And if that's it, then Hurley will win it for Jacob: think about it - he's patently unlucky in the regular time line, and still refuses to lie (The Oceanic 6) and doesn't like immoral choices. He has a propensity for fits of emotional violent rage. Friendly , or Zeke by Sawyer is a fictional character portrayed by M. C. Gainey on the American Broadcasting Company (ABC) television series Lost . Putting aside the labels of good and evil, which are descriptions that help normal humans understand, we should figure out what Jacob is attempting with the Man in Black. 1. But then of course leaving nobody on his side in charge would mean that someone from Jacob's side would take over. 4:54 PREVIEW She's Running Away. Stated as questions or possibilities (avoid question marks, "Maybe", "I think", etc). This may be a conscious reference to the, He is a man obsessed by some greater event that he doesn’t want to occur, and with this he ignores other people's will, like the. Life Is Good Jacob Young Rock • 2001 Play Shuffle. Evil, and Jacob the Deceiver My LOST theory mainly uses evidence from Seasons 1 and 5 as its support. They're both despicable beings in their own way. Is Jacob good or evil? Jacob sacrificed himself for the good of the island because he knew it would eradicate the evil on the island manifested in the MiB. ok, i could ask the same way, why is MIB the bad guy? Best Answer. But the turning point for Jacob came after a dramatic, all-night wrestling match with God. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. So i definitely see the two forces in them but it's still quite hard to tell if one is better than the other. The MiB wants to keep people off the Island but Jacob has made sure people will always come for his idea of continuing progress. Jacob and his brother led a carefree life on the island, roaming the beaches, hunting, and playing games. I hope Lost doesn't end up being as simple as just good versus evil. Assume: Jacob is represented by water. Those actions always happened 30 years earlier, we only percieve it to be in a similiar timeline because the show was edited as such, there wasn't any connection between moments in the past and future of the show, only the effects caused by events 30 years earlier. While Jacob certainly represents many things, such as a guardian, a healer, light, etc, this is what comes with becoming the protector of the Island. Lost: Man In Black Good; Jacob Bad? i'm SO obsest! It is lengthy so I apologize in advance. I'm talking about the ones that have Lucifer and Jesus as brothers in some sort of pre-existence, both equally in favor. 1. 3:16 PREVIEW Opposite of Everything. I am now very convinced that the Man In Black is "good" and Jacob is "evil". He has also expressed faith in the rest of humanity, and it's this faith that makes the Island work in the way it does, referring to the previous point of how the Island works based on it's guardian. John Locke is a fictional character played by Terry O'Quinn on the ABC television series Lost.He is named after the English philosopher of the same name. Whether he will hold his promises is far from certain, but this is the way he can win people over to the dark side. SoJo. Both of them are find with letting bad things happen, because they don't really care about the people as individuals, only about the point they're trying to make. Come fa a sapere MiB che la ruota servirà per lasciare l isola? Does he need someone who does not corrupt or destroy, and is that even possible? Perché allora il corpo del fratello rimane intatto? He is trying to prove this to MIB, in order to do that he needs to bring people to the island, i.e. The MIB and his recruits represent free will/evil. Good v. Evil. What we must remember is that Jacob himself is, at heart, a normal human being. 4:01 PREVIEW Let's Get Lost. Wasnt that finale So Shocking! He comforted Sawyer as a child and told Locke that he was sorry after. What is his mission? What do you guys think? Look at Jacob, He goes around changing people. More of an order/chaos dynamic I suppose. / I need rest now, got me According to Jacob, who explains this to Richard Alpert, it is the incarnation of evil, and its primary goal—to escape from the island—would be the "end of everything good". Jacob is not referring to any of the candidates. I'm not sure, but he was being a dick to Richard. Jack sees the annotated "Alice in Wonderland / ThroughThe Looking Glass" book and says that David loved Alice's two kittens, Kitty and Snowdrop. He is shown to be somewhat reclusive, choosing not to leave his comfort zone when he and his brother discover Claudia's people, and he is easily manipulated by his "mother", evident from his appointment as guardian of the Island being brought about through loyalty to his "mother", who in reality was just using him to be free of responsibility. For me, the question is why? The infamous meeting of jacob and Esau in LOST Season 5. But the question is who is who? 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